Posted by: distributorcap | September 4, 2009

When the Value goes Up Up Up

And the prices go down down down
Robert Hall this season
Will show you the reason
High quality, economy

Let me preface this by saying – I like clothing shopping as much as I like watching Glenn Beck.

If you lived in metropolitan New York during the 1960’s the above radio jingle that is one that is probably forever stuck in your head. Robert Hall was a ubiquitous, (and schlocky) nondescript clothing store with inexpensive schmottes clothing. Les Paul and Mary Ford actually sang one version of the jingle. Robert Hall (who never existed) went out of fashion by 1970, and out of business completely in 1977.

Nothing I saw today even would ever remotely be in a Robert Hall store, or in the other omni-present emporia of 1960’s New York style – John’s Bargain Stores.

Today I went clothing shopping for the first time (except for some socks and sneakers) since my Sarah Palin-inspired $150,000 shopping spree at Saks last October. After walking around today, I beckon back to the days when my mother bought all my clothing (and she would drag me to where else? – Robert Hall in the Lake Success, NY shopping mall).

Lower Broadway from Canal St. to Houston St. is a main shopping drag in Manhattan with shoppers and stores that could be anywhere in the USA. Except on lower Broadway – you have chain stores occupying buildings that are architectural gems of a bygone era, not cookie cutter malls. This is not Tyson’s Corners, Roosevelt Field, Sawgrass Mills, the Galleria or South Coast Plaza. And unlike the rest of the malling of America – it is outdoors. Today the streets were packed – I guess it was Back to School.

Some of the stores are Urban Outfitters, H&M, Scoop, Top Man, Hilfger, FCUK, American Apparel, (are you sensing a pattern?), Armani Exchange, Guess, Sephora, the triumvirate – Old Navy, Gap, Banana Republic, Pulse and Bloomingdale’s (which is nothing like the uptown Bloomingdale’s on 59th Street). This was clothing and stuff for the Jonas Brothers/Avril Lavigne generation – not me. In some of the stores I was the only person over 25. I wish back to school was this trendy back when I went back to school. You do have your non-clothing stores like Best Buy, CB2, at least 100 David Z shoe stores, Swatch, a mega Adadias store among others.

First stop was the somewhat more mundane Levi’s Store. Lesson learned – don’t even bother to try on their Super Skinny 510s. I couldn’t fit my foot down the leg. These pants were designed for the either anorexics or starving children in Africa, not Americans who have stressful jobs. The skinnys (as opposed to the super skinnys) I was able to fit into, but there was no way I would be able to sit down or retain child bearing material (and I am in shape, and thin – just not a 23-year old thin I guess). The traditional 501s fit, but who wants tradition when you can look like Karen Carpenter?

Then to Guess – I thought, who actually pays $178 for a pair of jeans today? – jeans that are pre-washed down to being torn. Not me. I wouldn’t pay that even if they sung like Karen Carpenter.

I went to several other “shoppes”, and after awhile you couldn’t one store from another – not only do the shoppers all look the same (22 years old, long baggy cargo shorts, flip flops, ipods, expensive bags) – the clothing is all exactly the same – just the prices are different. I guess Urban Outfitters users cheaper Chinese sweat shops than TopMan or Guess (for $178 jeans, I hope the Guess sweat shops at least buy their employees some coffee).

My final stop was the new hot spot of Soho – Hollisters – right on the corner of Houston Street and Broadway. In case you don’t know what Hollisters is, it is your front seat ride to the waves and beautiful bodies of the Southern California surf scene. Think Abercrombie & Fitch meets Frankie & Annette. Hollisters opened around 6 weeks ago in the spot where the old, staid, boring and decidedly un-hip Pottery Barn store used to be. Hollisters in Manhattan – what a concept.

This is Hollisters first store in Manhattan (they are all over the country and probably as common as Starbucks in Southern California). Considering Manhattan, New York is not a hotbed of surfing (unlike Manhattan Beach, California) – I can see why it took them a while to get here.

The store is four levels and 40,000 sq. feet – which is quite large for Manhattan (even in today’s lousy economy – I cannot imagine the rent on the corner of Houston/Broadway is any bargain). You are greeted by a dude and a “betty” (trust me, I don’t know surfing lingo, but I can’t imagine Annette would have wanted to be called a “Betty”). They are right out of Baywatch central casting. I am sure all the New York City employees have tried out to be extras on Gossip Girl – this is definitely not your Law & Order juror crowd.)

This is not your father’s Robert Hall

Hats off to the designer who came up with this concept for a store that sells the most visual item your own – clothing. It is pitch black in the store. Different to say the least. There are only shelf lights near the merchandise. It feels like you are walking into the funhouse at Six Flags – I kept looking for the mirror that would make me fat. You can hardly see a thing, not the customers or even the clothing. You definitely cannot see the price tags. There are dull-colored screens of water and surfers all over the walls and the space smells like some weird perfume – or maybe it is surf wax – I wouldn’t know.

The store is comprised of stores within the store, on different levels, connected by some sort of maze. Between the darkness and the layout, a sewer rat (who surfs!) would do well here. You walk a lot of stairs – this is not a place for those with arthritic knees. I would have thought each mini-store would be completely different. They aren’t – some sold cologne and accessories, but it seemed most sold the same stuff – just different combinations. There are no prices visible (unlike all the other stores).

Hollisters sells a lot of sweatshirts (“surf fleeces”) with some form of the company name or logo (a seagull – could it be more obvious?) on it. I guess dudes and bettys get cold riding backhand through the pipeline. Also there are plenty of tee shirts and other items your 21st century Jan & Dean wannabe would have to have. There were no surf boards. One of the sales “bettys” was named – you guessed it – Rhonda. I can only imagine how many times a day she must have to deal with someone singing to her “can you help me, Rhonda.” (My gut is that Hollisters forced one of the Ashleys, Olivias or Emilys whom they hired to be a Rhonda – this was just too easy).

I tried on the Balboa (all the jeans are named for California beaches – Hermosa, Huntington etc.) medium color extremely destroyed (not the regular destroyed) jeans. Trust me – they were extremely destroyed – they look like they were hung out to dry in Hiroshima. The try-on room had better lighting, though not much. I guarantee the mirror in this dressing is the kind that makes you look very skinny. They actually fit decently, looked pretty good (holes and all) and were not priced anywhere near the Guess jeans. Problem was it had a button fly. All their jeans (every beach cut whether new or pre-washed, destroyed or not destroyed) have button flys. When you are over 40 with an ever growing prostate – you just do not get button down fly jeans, unless you want a case of carpal tunnel syndrome from the unbuttoning and rebuttoning, in addition to BHP.

I went the day without a single clothing purchase (not even the $5 tee shirts at Old Navy were enticing). But I did get a pretty decent sandwich at Dean & Deluca and my hair cut at Astor Place.

Shopping is so not for me. I think I will continue to order on-line since all the Land’s End crap fits me pretty well. And I can actually see what I am buying (even if it is pot luck on the fit).


Responses

  1. It's kinda funny (sick funny) how most of the mall stores target the young and skinny. Meanwhile, back in real time, where do all the Jabba the Huts shop?

  2. Aww D'Cap.,. I so sympathize with you.. I am the exact same. I hate shopping .. They just don't make things for us "old folk" anymore…lol If I can't order it online or get it at Sears, I just don't get it…lol What a story though.. I loved it. Thanks for sharing..

  3. D'Cap,Good story….can't say that I miss Robert Hall but you sure brought back memories of my Mother dragging onto the A train to get downtown to go there…thanks!

  4. Holy crap, I think that picture is of the Robert Hall that was in Elmsford, NY, the Robert Hall of my childhood.And that song is now embedded in my brain, unleashed like some Manchurian Candidate aural cue that will make me kill until I can find ugly and cheap clothing!And then you had to mention John's Bargain Store. My entire childhood has come rushing over me like a cheap retail wave.It has been over two years since I have wandered those very streets, since I worked one block from Astor Place. All those stores.I am reminded of when that part of downtown was hip in a semi-dangerous way, during the 80's. I miss danger, I truly do.The clothes were so much better, and cheaper – when danger was involved.Canal Jeans… now I am truly nostalgic. That is where Bloomies is now. *sigh*

  5. Oh man, Robert Hall, and that song. Now I have it embedded for several days. Remember it too well.As to the jeans, I gave up on that many long days ago.

  6. that song hit a memory chord in my brain, though i don't think i ever went to robert hall (i could be wrong).i hate clothes shopping for myself, but i love going with someone else, finding stuff for them, and critiquing the outfits when they try them on.

  7. I sure remember that Robert Hall song! And I definitely sympathize with your shopping saga. I can't find anything in today's stores. I too shop on line and Lands End is one of my favorites.Ironically, considering I hate everything Wal-Mart stands for, my most recent pair of jeans was purchased in the one in Ticonderoga up here in the Adirondacks. (There are no Wal-Marts near me in New Jersey). My jeans cost $9. Yes, $9. How can you go wrong? I tried to close my mind to the thought of all of the Chinese who labored to make the jeans at some sweatshop and went ahead and bought them. Yes, this makes me part of the problem…

  8. Dude, I had never heard of Hollisters, but there are six of them in my county, lol I guess I hate shopping as much as you do.

  9. I remember Robert Hall and that shitty jingle. I think my dad used to buy his casual wear there–like BanLon shirts and baggy slacks for working around the house. He never owned a pair of jeans.Like you, I hate shopping and buy virtually everything online, usually from Lands End, Coldwater Creek or the New Balance Shoe outlet.If I absolutely have to go to a department store, I just go to Macy's and get it over with.But those hip stores like Hollister and Abercrombie & Fitch make me sick. They may as well be uniform stores for all the creativity they show.The only consolation in such horrible teen fashion is knowing one day they'll look back at pictures and be too embarrassed to show their kids.

  10. @Fran,I am laughing so hard I may cry…

  11. Ha Ha, and you surely remember the jigle for Castro Convertables..who conquers space with fine designsaves you money all the time who's tops in the convertable lineCASTRO convertables…Johns Bargain Store jingle went like thiswhere you buy where you buy where you buy more at Johns Johns Johns bargain stores!!Don't remember a Two Guys jingle but do remember the EJ Korvettsthe best buy yet at EJ Korvetts!!!oh my god….

  12. Makes me wonder where the rest of America gets their clothes. Is there a store I don't know about that nobody's telling me?I defy you to go to a mall these days and try and buy a suit. None at Sears, Penny's or any of the other anchor stores at the mall.So kick off your Paul Parrots and slip on the PF Flyers and go out and play cause it's all just a fools errand.

  13. Given how, like you, I abhor clothes shopping, I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at your tale. There's really a brand called FCUK? That's fcuked up.

  14. Thank god Alexis does all of my clothes shopping. I don't think I've bought a stitch of my own clothing in 15 years. Otherwise, if I had to go through this experience like you did, I'd just opt for nudity, and nobody wants that.

  15. Yeah, I really can relate. Being of above average height the suckage related to clothes shopping is compounded. Usually I stick with Wrangler or "normal" Levi jeans, cargo shorts,my hippy sandals, and t-shirts. I have one suit that does not fit me anymore and when I need another one that day I go shopping for one will not be fun.

  16. I'm not much of a clothes shopper, either. If they made standard sizes for pants, for example, it'd cut down the amount of time I had to spend trying them on. But a 38 inch waist is a 40 or a 36 in different brands, necessitating the need to take several different sized pairs into the changing room with you at one time.Annoying!

  17. Too funny, though I have to say Americans don't know how good they have it. Go clothes shopping in Canada, Australia or New Zealand and you'll notice a difference in quality: the fabrics are thinner so everything wears out faster, yet you pay the same equivalent price or more for that inferior version.When I lived Down Under in the early 1990s, the best present friends could send me were real American jeans. The regular Levis 501s were unavailable in the regular shops (We got the crappy NZ version which were made of thinner material and sold in European sizes) and getting American jeans at the swap meet could set you back about US$200. My NZ friends were green with envy when my American friends would take pity on me and send me a pair. I don't know if it's true or not but when I was there you would keep hearing about Americans who would pay for their trips to New Zealand by selling U.S. jeans there.(I hate clothes shopping too, and tend to wear stuff long after its expiry date which makes me look a bit threadbare, also buying pants off the rack where the waist is smaller than the inseam is nearly impossible nowadays too. People ARE fatter now.)

  18. I hate shopping too. But I have to get some jeans/trousers soon. I'm fit, but I fall between sizes and this skinny jean shit is driving me crazy. Every pair of jeans I buy now require $50 (NYC prices) of altering. Oddly, once I find a pair that clears the legs, I have to had the waist taken in. Who are these skinny legged, thick waisted consumers they are aiming for?

  19. "Robert Hall, this seasonWill show you the reason:Low Overhead!Low Overhead!"Is how I remember it.Robert Hall was also a fixture in Cleveland, OH, when my family lived there in the '50s. I recall hearing the Les Paul/Mary Ford jingle on KYW, or WERE, or WHK, and probably on all of them. Thanks for a memory…

  20. Go clothes shopping in Canada, Australia or New Zealand and you'll notice a difference in quality: the fabrics are thinner so everything wears out fasterBeing Canadian, I can't say I've noticed that. In general, I'd say that Canadian clothes are better-made than the American versions; the cuts are better and there's more attention to workmanship. Then again, I tend to shop at chains — if I shop at chains — that don't exist in the US (like Tabi and Reitman's) and I don't buy my clothes from discount stores, onaccounta discount stores everywhere chintz out on the fabric when cutting, so a size 12 is like a size 8 at a more upscale chain, and you can't count on sleeves being either long or wide enough. Also, if you want to buy things that fall apart in the wash, buy them at Wal-Mart anywhere in North America. (I've spent enough time in the US to know this firsthand. I used to spend a couple months every year in the US.)I have noticed that Levi's jeans have gone down in quality substantially lately, like in the last five to seven years, though. I figured that had something to do with the fact that all the American factories had closed, and they're now all made in Mexico or China. (Incidentally, Dr. Martens moved all their production to China recently too, so if you are looking to replace an old pair of Docs with a new pair, don't waste your money; get a pair of Clark's or something instead.)


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